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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:32 am
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Matt Wilcox wrote:
Glad to hear all are doing OK. Apparently they are likely to get fin damage as a result of the spike, so might be an idea to look if there's any medication for that?

I may investigate aquariums again at the weekend. I want a corner tank, but I want it to look nice. I think I need to look in person, because the vast majority of the cabinets look like tacky shite on the net.


Yeah heading off to see what there is, the water treatment juice I have has a couple things in it to relax fish and sooth any damage, but im just researching ammonia nutrilising and nitrite nutrilising juice now

EDIT: hmm saying that, it wont be any use as the bacteria just wont grow, *ponders

Separate quarantine tank me thinks



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:41 am
User avatarJoeyannePosts: 6454Location: WolverhamptonJoined: Sun Jun 06, 2004 4:00 am
Matt Wilcox wrote:
Glad to hear all are doing OK. Apparently they are likely to get fin damage as a result of the spike, so might be an idea to look if there's any medication for that?


You can get stuff for finrot, I guessd the same thing might work for fin damage?



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:43 am
User avatarBiggest Nappy EvaPosts: 6922Joined: Mon May 31, 2004 4:00 am
combatsquirrel wrote:
EDIT: hmm saying that, it wont be any use as the bacteria just wont grow, *ponders

Separate quarantine tank me thinks


Yeah, the problem isn't so much too much nitrate/ammonia as it is too little bacteria. If all you do is lower the ammonia without growing the bacteria, as soon as you put the fish back in you'll be in the same situation.

Quarantine tank might be a good solution, but I'd imagine you'll need to do big transfusions very regularly, as it'll essentially be an un-primed tank for them - with all the issues of any new tank. Also, you'll need another filter and heater if you go that route.

PS - memory f00bar, can't remeber if it was fin damage or gill damage.



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:52 am
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For now I've found this:

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Change anywhere from 30%- 50% water per day until you at least reach an ammonia or nitrite level of 2 ppm or less (0 is what you want eventually).

*Use Prime (removes chlorine/chloramines, detoxifies ammonia & nitrite) or any other Ammonia/Nitrite de-toxifier such Ammo Lock, Amquel Plus or Amquel. These products do not remove ammonia they change the ammonia from highly toxic NH3 to less toxic Ammonium (NH4). Please note the ammonia will still test after using these products as the test kits do not differentiate between ammonia and ammonium (ionized ammonia). Prime will keep the ammonium safely “bound” even if the pH climbs (which would otherwise convert NH4 to NH3). The ammonium is still available for nitrifying bacteria to consume and therefore Prime will not interrupt the growth of healthy bio-bacterial colonies as the ionized ammonia and nitrites are still available for nitrifying bacteria. It should be also noted that most test kit will still show the ammonia/nitrites at the SAME level as before the addition of Prime/Amquel +, however rest assured this is in a non-toxic ionized form that is still bio available to Nitrobacteraceae bacteria that forming in your filter media/gravel.

Here is more information about Prime: “The detoxification of nitrite and nitrate by Prime (when used at elevated levels) is not well understood from a mechanistic standpoint. The most likely explanation is that the nitrite and nitrate is removed in a manner similar to the way ammonia is removed; I.e. it is bound and held in a inert state until such time that bacteria in the biological filter are able to take a hold of it, break it apart and use it. Two other possible scenarios are reduction to nitrogen (N2) gas or conversion into a benign organic nitrogen compound”.
See SeaChem Support AND
"Aquarium Answers: Aquatic Water Conditioners" for more information.

*Add salt (NaCl); this is a popular method for “nitrite poisoning” and should be added at 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons to 1 teaspoon per gallon depending upon fish sensitivities. The addition of salt will prevent methemoglobin that forms in the blood due to nitrite exposure from building up.
Salt can be combined with Prime or Amquel Plus, however from my experience the salt method is not nearly as effective as Prime when used by itself.

*For high ammonia or nitrite exposure (common in fish shipped from long distances), the use of Methylene Blue in 30 minute baths is very effective and also counters the effects of methemoglobin in the blood by increasing the hemoglobin oxygen carrying abilities.

*Consider zeolite in the filters to absorb some of the ammonia (FRESHWATER ONLY!).

*Add "seasoned" by bio media such as sponge or filter fiber form another healthy tank to kick start your bio filtration.

*Cut back on feeding and do not use fish foods high in non aquatic proteins, which are mostly un-digestible and add to your ammonia.



So no feeding today, I've added the old noisy filter as well as the fluval one, means tons more bacteria growing sponge and ill investigate mild treatments such as converting ammonia from NH3 to NH4



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:05 pm
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Well they sell bottles of super concentrated bacteria,so got that and added to the tank! Winner,hopefully,lol

Seems the best way,no ammonia and exactly what the tank needs



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:15 am
User avatarBiggest Nappy EvaPosts: 6922Joined: Mon May 31, 2004 4:00 am
So how are they doing today?

Also, check this out for a fucking awesome fish tank! I'd need a larger living room though. Much larger.

http://www.wharfaquatics.co.uk/images/t ... _large.jpg

[edit] can't embed the photo because phpBB2 daoesn't like filenames with an & in them.

More tanks: http://www.wharfaquatics.co.uk/tanksgallery.htm

[edit] fish links (so I remember) http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/links.htm



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:25 pm
User avatarBiggest Nappy EvaPosts: 6922Joined: Mon May 31, 2004 4:00 am
Ben; tank cycling is a 4-6week thing apparently.

And you can do it without fish.

http://www.aquahobby.com/articles/e_fishless.php



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:51 pm
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On a side note our office fish tank had a casualty this week, that's the 5th one since we bought it about 18 months ago :cry:



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:13 pm
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Nath wrote:
On a side note our office fish tank had a casualty this week, that's the 5th one since we bought it about 18 months ago :cry:


Casualty?...

Sounds a little worrying, do people keep falling in, you should get a life jacket to mount next to it.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:37 pm
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Now that would be hard to explain if it was people popping their clogs.

"Dear Site Manager,

Found the body of another cleaner next to the fish tank today. Can only presume they got their tongue stuck on the filter intake like the other four.

Please arrange for those burley chaps who drop off the water bottles to collect the body, and swing it into the biffa bins out back.

Thanks,

Nathan"



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:44 pm
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LMAO

:cry:

I'm not sure if you can just throw bodies away any more or if you have to put them in a specific bin for recycling.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:00 pm
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God knows, our recycling bins aren't even used for recycling! The paper that goes into them gets shredded then burned!

Our tank only has 2 fish now, so could well be time to get a couple more.



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:31 am
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And they've made it to the other side, nitrite levels are barely detectable now, one more water change I think just make sure, all fish still alive, ill keep an eye on them for any damage



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:09 pm
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<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/njsphoto/2882453384/" title="23092008002 by NJS Photo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3177/2882453384_8c9e87a145.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="23092008002"></a>

Office fish tank! Looking a tad bare now 2 fish are dead and the plant has been eaten :/



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:11 pm
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I like the way you say "the plant has been eaten" in a way which suggests you aren't convinced it's the fish who ate it. Should it be so turbulent in there, looks like you could surf on the top of it.



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